PineClan&StarClan

[Crowzerplorodon]

So post your ideas on how PineClan will recieve messages from StarClan here.

Crow will post his ideas in a minute.

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[meg]

Maybe StarClan could do a FireStar's quest -- like actually send a starry warrior down into PineClan territory.

[Rolo]

Well, as I see it I think dreams from Starclan are not a regular thing for PC med. cats, but occationally Starclan give them... VERY occationally.

If it's just a cat come to speak to the med. cat, the med. cat could put it down to their imagination

If it's a prophecy, they'd probably not believe it, or wouldn't say about it anyway or they would pay no attention to it

I think that it could be fun seeing Med. cats deal with the dreams in their own way.

I think Starclan will be interested in Pineclan seeing as they are loyal and good cats, so they may want to inform them they are there. They may watch over them as they do any other clan as they think they are 'misguided' and they can set them on the right path.

I doubt anyone in Pineclan would believe a Med. cat who confessed to seeing a dead comrade in their dreams. They'd probably think they were making it up or it meant nothing.

Edit:
OOO and and another thing, I think they should speak to ALL clan cats in an attempt to inform them they are there. Especially cats born in Pineclan as they are brought up not to believe.

[pridesin]

While it is quite possible that Starclan would never share dreams with a nonbeliever, as is very apparent in the books (Starclan never showed any sign of existence with rogues or loners), I believe that the cats in Pineclan are very different than the nonbelievers in the books. First off, they know about Starclan and merely chose to not believe in them. These, 100% nonbelievers are cats that Starclan would never show themselves to, however, to those cats who have an inkling of a doubt, I believe that Starclan would try to contact them in times of trouble.

However, I understand if you, Crow, would prefer if Starclan didn't contact Pineclan altogether. It makes perfect sense.

Edit: also, Rolo is right. These cats are not like the loners or rogues in the books -- they are kind, honest cats, and Starclan may have an interest in them.

[Crowzerplorodon]

Ok, I think that PineClan would not receive a message from StarClan.

Why?

Well, as seen with Mothwing, cats who do not believe in StarClan don't get dreams from them. Since PineClan cats do not believe, why should they get dreams?

If they did, a PineClan cat who has died could easily just come down to them and be like "StarClan does exist. Believe. Convert."

That would completely take away from the whole non-believing appeal of PineClan.

Now, I know eventually we will have a cat that believes in StarClan. We already have one, I think. That cat could receive dreams from StarClan, seeing how their mind is open to the dead cats. And whenever StarClan needs to send a message to PineClan, the cat who does believe could get the dream and relay it to the clan in a way that make it sound like the cat is not trying to force StarClan down the other's throats.

Like, if there was a message on where to find Cat-Mint in their territory, the cat could be told by StarClan, then "accidentally" stumble upon the cat-mint.

My point is just that, in the books Mothwing didn't get any messages from StarClan, Leafpool had to do it for her. So why would PineClan get these messages?

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SABOR HAZ AN IDEA.

StarClan will only contact Gingerstar or ____(enter name of medicine cat here) when:

-They are trying to warn PineClan of something. If this occurs the leader/medicine cat brushes off the message as nothing, for they believe that StarClan is fictional. StarClan would still try to warn PineClan because even though PineClan does not believe in these ancestors StarClan cares for them (like the other three clans) and wishes to protect them.

-StarClan is attempting to persuade a cat that StarClan is real. This is more rare, but if StarClan sees that a cat (any cat in PineClan) is teetering on the edge of believing in their starry ancestors they will try to push them towards the believing side. This does not happen often but has been known to happen.

[Crowzerplorodon]

But Sabor, StarClan has said numerous times that they are not the almighty force in the forest (in the books, of course).

So that would be the same for us. Why would StarClan try to force a cat (even if the cat is close to believe) to believe?

I've always seem them as accepting of all beliefs. StarClan is just another clan of course. Having them try to force another cat to belief would be like MeadowClan trying to get all the other clans to dull their claws by burrowing.

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My point is just that, in the books Mothwing didn't get any messages from StarClan, Leafpool had to do it for her. So why would PineClan get these messages?

Because PineClan is a new clan. Maybe StarClan believes that if they push against the will of PineClan enough the cats will come to their senses. I would agree with what you are saying if they were a very old clan, but no. When StarClan sent a message to ForestClan that they must move I am sure they knew that if there was to be new clans there would be uncertainty among some of the cats that were born after the move. StarClan shouldn't give up on these new cats just because they don't believe at the moment.

[pridesin]

Crow, I can see your logic.

I think having Starclan just not contact Pineclan altogether make for a much more dynamic roleplay.

[Rolo]

So we have two very different ideas.

One that Starclan would not bother with non-believers as they are non-believers.

The other that the society that they are in prevents belief in Starclan and that Starclan will try to convert some cats as they're kinda guardians over everything.

What about the cats born in Pineclan? They will never get the word of Starclan since their clan will not tell it to them... would Starclan starve them of a chance?

I personally believe that Starclan will NOT go all out to convert Pineclan, I just think they will get some dreams VERY occationally with prophecies in, so they're on the same level as every other clan, and even less with cats trying to convince them that they are real.

Why would Starclan give up on a clan that is loyal and trusting, but just don't base their lives upon them?