FoF's StarClan

[Ten]

And if this should be in a different board or something, sorry; just move it to where it needs to be.

The Function and Abilities of StarClan at Forest of Fate

With a plot that presents dichotomy via belief in StarClan, all the doubts in the minds of Forest of Fate characters require some healthy care and keeping. This article is not about those doubts.

In a role play where the existance of something is under dispute, the existance does not need to be prooved to all the characters one way or the other, but the role players must agree on whether it does indeed exist or not. On a forum such as FoF, where staff create Clans and traditions and restrictions, the staff set the limits of reality.

Considering FoF has this board, the canon universe of FoF does have a group of dead cats going by the name of StarClan. So to be technical, StarClan does exist, even if in name only. The first questions that arise from this are whether the cats of StarClan are still sentient. Can they still think? Can they still feel? Are they living in something of an afterlife?

According to Rolo, dead cats may choose to enter StarClan if they so please, and if that they do not wish to join, their souls will cease to exist. If StarClan is not composed of existing, active spirits residing in an afterlife, how would the aforementioned choice be possible?

Whether or not StarClan can communicate with the living is another issue for FoF characters. Of course, communication is a two-way street. Can StarClan see, hear, or otherwise sense the actions of the living? How much are they aware of? Is each StarClan cat omniscient, knowing what is going on everywhere at once, or may a StarClanner focus on only one cat or area of the Earth at one time? What about other StarClan cats? Can they talk to one another?

According to Crow, dead cats are not role played, impling that, if capable of being aware of each other and/or the living, dead cats would not be able to have any internal or external reaction (and therefore no interaction). This means the cats of StarClan are either very lonely and bored for eternity, or they are non-sentient. If StarClan is non-sentient, then what is the difference between choosing to join StarClan and choosing to allow one's soul to cease to exist?

[Pyro]

When I create a character [for Warriors roleplays] I do so with the thought that in their world, StarClan exists. This is why, if you examine my characters closely, you'll see that while the majority of them 'technically don't' believe in StarClan, their disbelief is one that is usually more dismissive. This could be because I myself don't have the healthiest respect for the original StarClan whose...traits...often turn up in the new generation StarClans that crop up with each new Warriors forum. These irritating traits mainly being 1) Their inability to do anything about but persistence with being as involved with trouble in the wind as possible, 2) Their obsession with the living, whom when it gets down to it, they can do nothing for in times of need, and 3) Their assumption of a 'god-like' position, when, again, they are ultimately powerless but for their ability to make the living deal with what they, being dead, can't.

But to get to the real point here, Does the FoF StarClan exist? Yes. It most certainly does.

"- They do NOT have nine lives.
- Unlike in the other clans, the leader is leader not due to Starclan-elected power but from the power the rest of the clan give them.
-...They have one life so cannot do as much as a Starclan clan leader battlewise..."

Take a good look at the above quote from the thread for information on PineClan. Bullet One implies that the other clan leaders do have nine lives. How could the other leaders have nine lives if StarClan (or some being posing as StarClan) did not give said lives to them? Bullet Two also supports the existance of an FoF StarClan by stating that it is StarClan that elects and 'gives power' to the leaders of the other clans. Bullet Three is yet more proof that their must be an FoF StarClan. After all, the leaders of Streamclan, MeadowClan, and FogClan seem to have some 'Starclan-derived' power.

And of course, how can we forget our first 'new leader of a clan'?

Mistpelt was:
-Given the name Miststar
-Given, presumably, an additional life, as well as the proclaimation that as long as Owlstar had all her lives, Mistpelt would recieve no more. (However, if she [Owlstar] lost those lives they would be transferred to miststar)

So, from these examples, and the ones listed by Ten, we can gather that:
1) FoF StarClan exists
2) They can show favour
3) They can back a leader
4) They can give the suffix -star
5) They can give a cat, namely a new leader, additional lives

However, just because it exists, doesn't mean FoF's various characters all have to believe in them.
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Geh. A little shorter than I was planning on making this response, but it's getting late. And. I'm tired. e.e;

[Ten]

Jun 28, 2010 21:58:50 GMT -5 Pyro said:

Geh. A little shorter than I was planning on making this response, but it's getting late. And. I'm tired.

That's fine. I'm grateful to have a response on this. You can post again in the morning, if you'd like.

When I create a character [for Warriors roleplays] I do so with the thought that in their world, StarClan exists.

Not role playing here, I wouldn't know for sure, but I'm thinking that's how most foffers are--they consider StarClan to be real in the FoF world, no matter what the cats think.

This could be because I myself don't have the healthiest respect for the original StarClan whose...traits...often turn up in the new generation StarClans that crop up with each new Warriors forum.

Sometimes disrespect can be healthy.

But to get to the real point here, Does the FoF StarClan exist? Yes. It most certainly does.

"- They do NOT have nine lives.
- Unlike in the other clans, the leader is leader not due to Starclan-elected power but from the power the rest of the clan give them.
-...They have one life so cannot do as much as a Starclan clan leader battlewise..."

Take a good look at the above quote from the thread for information on PineClan. Bullet One implies that the other clan leaders do have nine lives. How could the other leaders have nine lives if StarClan (or some being posing as StarClan) did not give said lives to them? Bullet Two also supports the existance of an FoF StarClan by stating that it is StarClan that elects and 'gives power' to the leaders of the other clans. Bullet Three is yet more proof that their must be an FoF StarClan. After all, the leaders of Streamclan, MeadowClan, and FogClan seem to have some 'Starclan-derived' power.

That is some good evidence. The staff sure seem to write as if StarClan exists.

Mistpelt was:
-Given the name Miststar
-Given, presumably, an additional life, as well as the proclaimation that as long as Owlstar had all her lives, Mistpelt would recieve no more. (However, if she [Owlstar] lost those lives they would be transferred to miststar)

This is all based on that dream, correct? With that being a major plot issue around here, I'm thinking the staff would be even less willing to take a stance on the validity of it. Besides, even if StarClan exists, that doesn't mean every dream comes from them.

So, from these examples, and the ones listed by Ten, we can gather that:
1) FoF StarClan exists
2) They can show favour
3) They can back a leader
4) They can give the suffix -star
5) They can give a cat, namely a new leader, additional lives

If your inferences on the PineClan thread are correct, then (1) and (5) must be true.

We don't know for sure how they can back a leader or how they would show favor, though, do we? Besides giving lives, that is.

So, does StarClan come together in a meeting and decide which cats deserve their favor and whom would make a good leader? They don't just grant lives to whomever asks for them, do they? If they do have meetings, then is the final decision based on the will of the majority? If so, that would leave it open for the staff to control the "majority". By that, I mean the unplayable dead cats in the StarClan board consist of a minority, so it doesn't matter that they can't voice opinions.

However, if they are capable of choosing leaders, then this means (a) they're sentient and (b) they can view the living. It also seems as though they would need to have meetings and interact with one another. And yet dead cats can't be role played.