New Plot

[Crowzerplorodon]

After Mistpelt's reign ends, StreamClan and PineClan sort each other out, and MeadowClan settles down, we'll need a new plot. Yeah, the Tribe will be introduced, but they won't interact much with the actual clans.

So, plot ideas? I think we were touching a bit on ForestClan cats finding the new clans.

[[ hardyrex ]]

Okay, so. I was thinking that maybe, right at the end of the Mistpelt plot, Brownstar dies. ForestClan is too corrupt to find a new leader, so they skip off to find Cedarstar and his followers in a desperate attempt to survive. Yay.

So, ForestClan waltz right in to join the clans, but after a while and seeing how most of these clan cats are rogues, decide to try and take the land for themselves.

I'll post more when I get more time.

[Cloud of Diamonds]

That's definitely possible. Perhaps Brownstar has been overthrown, or has died, and as was suggested before, they wanted to see their kin who'd left. Maybe we could even make some throwaway characters from former ForestClanners' bios....

Also, in some old bios I see the name Ravenstar pop up in relation to the journey. I've never seen him mentioned in the plot, who the heck was he?

It's possible they might try to take the land for themselves...or some might want to do that and some just want to join the Clans...

I like the idea that they're too corrupt to pick a new leader, though.

[rixyfish]

onz.

k. i dunno if you wanna hear mine D:

[Crowzerplorodon]

Ravenstar was Brownstar's original name, Cloudie. |D

DO TELL RIXY DO TELL.

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[rixyfish]

OKAY.
well i haven't really been here long so i don't exactly know if it matters, but mine don't really relate to the one that just ended?

i was thinking, what if, as more rouges(rouges? rogues? i can never remember.) join the clans, their harsher ways sort of rub off on the clan cats?

omg. i swear to god i had a dream about me posting this. like, a year ago.

anyways. they start building "prisons" in their camps, places they'll stick disobedient cats or tresspassers, or captives. or others who cause problems. they start bending the code a little, making it harsher and more strict. thass all i got for that one.

the other one is where like, some cats-- probably younger ones --get pissed about pineclan so they sneak in? or maybe pretend to join, under fake names or something and try to take over slash eliminate the clan.


.... yeah, so they kinda suck. :c

[Cloud of Diamonds]

Here's my (revised) ideas:

There's discontented mutterings among the non-ForestClanners of MeadowClan (who we really need more of, there's only six active ones in MeadowClan right now and we need more, especially argumentative, itching-for-a-fight ones) who feel that they aren't equal to ForestClan-born MeadowClanners for a number of reasons: Rabbitstep being appointed deputy, Cedarstar taking Gingerstripe as his mate, and when it happens, Cedarstar giving Shrewkit, Sootkit, and Fawnkit all to ForestClan-born cats. After all that, Gingerstripe will be expecting Cedarstar;s kits, even more adding to the tension.

And then things are made even more tense when the remaining ForestClanners show up after Brownstar being dead and fighting among their Clan, etc.

o3o What does Crow think? I mean, I already have the discontented mutterings thing beginning...I just need more cats for it.

[Rolo]

I'm liking the plot ideas so far Keep um coming!

I like your ideas Rixy, but I have an issue with the first one because of the fact that the clans as they are now are mostly made up of rogues anyway. The former rogues as they are now vary from grateful to exploitive, because they all have different reasons for joining the clans. I don't think they are a collective group with an ulterior motive or a collective set of character traits, so I don't think your plot could work without creating, say, a group who believe the clan needs to be more brutish. That said, your idea of prisons and a harsher warrior code is already something planned for the Fogclan plot, so perhaps this idea (developed further) should be used a little later on after we've done something a little different.

On your other idea, why exactly do you think younger cats would be annoyed about Pineclan enough to try and anihilate it.

I very much like your plot idea, Cloudie, and it has the real potential for a great amount of conflict. It's also something believable and very realistic. It's a definite possible.

My original idea for Forestclan was that they actually came looking for the clan cats to hurt them for being traitors to the clan, as that seems like something Brownstar would do. This would, however, be a war-centric plot, filled with angst and genuine danger for the clans. I'm not sure how people would feel about that kinda plot.

Talk of Forestclan brings on the question of how exactly the new clans would act to the old clan cats. If Brownstar were to die, would they really seek out the new clans just to cause trouble? I sense that, really, if they were that desperate for a leader, they'd probably just settle down into the new way of life and act as a new influx of cats. If we went with Cloudie's plot, I'm not sure we need Forestclan in it to add more angst, as it stands well using only the current clan.

Here are some of my ideas (perhaps not for now, but for the future):

• A corrupted Pineclan: Pineclan is a clan based on morals, strict tradition and brotherhood, but what happens when a cat bypasses the carefully laid precautions to stop corruption? One cat sneakily does a Tigerstar, and slowly and cunningly breaks down the defences in order to gain the leader spot. Brutal by nature, he presents himself as a strong cat and a to-die-for leader who is completely pro-Pineclan and then sneakily kills the deputy. Becoming deputy (he's the obvious choice) he waits until he becomes leader and then, once he becomes leader and elders begin to disagree with his plans of action, he kills them off too (by feeding them deathberries or something not obvious). By the end of this, he's the only one in control and he begins to kill off the traditional clan meetings (to ensure he's working correctly) and the clan becomes a dictatorship. In the end, the clan has to rise up against him and they grow stronger as a result.
  
• A clan relations plot: Streamclan (poisoned river) or Meadowclan (Something else...? XD) lose their main source of prey and end up having to steal from other clans. Not a big plot, but it's designed to cause conflict at gatherings and alter clan relations. At the moment, the clans are pretty friendly with eachother (and Fogclan will only lose popularity because of a few bad cats, not because most of the clan want/have to do things against other clans) and if we do this, we can start setting up alliances (like the Wind/Thunder ones in the books). It's more of a 'setting up for later plots' thing than an event by itself, unless people want there to end up being a big war.

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[Pyro]

Rolo, normally I'm all for sacrificing my cats limbs/lives for the sake of a plot, but I'm not so sure in this case. I've already joked a bit with Whiskers about this but Aspenheart is actually the only cat of mine (besides Coyotenose) that I actually feel kinda protective over. >>; But if say, that first plot could be done without death on Azzy's part, I'd be all for it.

Maybe to disguise his own ambition this cat makes out Aspenheart to be the ambitious one? And of course, Aspenheart would naturally be at odds with an aggressive cat like this, being more moderate and passive himself. So he'd keep an eye on him, maybe get a bit too nosy, and to stop Aspenheart from stopping him or warning Gingerstar he starts to cause mishaps and misfortunes, blaming them on the deputy? Perhaps saying that Aspenheart's quiet demeanor is just a disguise for the ambitious traitor within?

/feels a bit selfish for being protective

[Poizuun]

May 5, 2010 21:03:57 GMT -5 Crowzerplorodon said:

Ravenstar was Brownstar's original name, Cloudie. |D

DO TELL RIXY DO TELL.

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actually, ravenstar was the original cedarstar (when meadowclan/the whole plot was just my own little fun idea), but i gave creative license to whoever it was that first made cedarstar to have their own cat and what they wanted for him.

brownstar was always brownstar.