Dæmon Chat 2.0

[May]

We're meant to be! =D

Silv: I of course knew that I'd settle as a ferret. No duh, Sherlock. I've BEEN a ferret since the first freaking day we started talking.
Me: Well, you just settled today. > So there.
Silv: Whatever.

Anyway, Silv also acquired a last name. It was TOTALLY spontaneous. I was talking about her and suddenly the last name 'Maximus' just sort of popped into my head. No idea how it got there. o.o' So now her name is Silviel Maximus. This has given rise to a new nickname, too -- Silvius Maximus. I joke about it being the latin name for the common Silviel. xD

[Cloud of Diamonds]

Mil: Now I want a last name...:c

Me: She likes Milidraus Voltaire, but that just doesn't work.

[May]

Why wouldn't it work? D: /clueless
I think it sounds pretty cool. O:

[Crowzerplorodon]

“Interacting with other daemons is something Mil hardly ever gets to do.”

Quoted. Page 2. Cloudie's post.

Y'all are, honestly, starting to tick me off. With few exception,I don't think any of you really know what a dæmon is. A dæmon is a part of you, it is you. It's that part of your mind you don't realize you had. The decisions you'd never make, the thoughts you'd never think, the opinions you never though you would ever had. It's that bit far, far away, lock inside the subconscious that yells at you when you've done something stupid. It creates guilt, doubt, joy, hope. It's always with you, always working, and is practically unknown by man. We know it's there, we know some of what it does. We don't know how it does it or what else it could do.

A dæmon, the manifestation of an animal you all take pleasure in, is only a simplified, physical form of this part of the mind. Something that makes it a little less scary. A voice we can talk to when we need to. Something to blame for making you feel guilty, something to thank for giving you joy. We're less afraid of things with a name, with a face. Especially animals; as humans we're naturally drawn to animals – especially animals we enjoy and/or are familiar with (cats, dogs, wolves, lions, stuff like that.)

Dæmons don't interact with each other! They never do – they're not supposed to. That would be like if your deep subconscious started having a friendly chat with my deep subconscious. This isn't an episode of Doctor Who, guys, you can't do that. Those comments you hear in your head when reading a response? That's you talking, because your dæmon is you. It's as much of you as your hand is, hell it's probably more. But those are just the thoughts you wouldn't say, for whatever reason. When you guys type what your dæmon says, it's irritating, because they're not really saying that. Dæmons would never talk to anybody but you – witty comments aside. But when a dæmon makes a comment, they're just expressing an opinion or thought you don't realize is YOURS.

I'm sorry if that offended any of you, but buckle up, 'cause I'm not done.

I've noticed a lot of you have same-gender dæmons. You may not realize it, but this normally means something is wrong with you. You might be confused on something. Most likely it's sexuality or gender or something of that sort – it doesn't have to be, though. Any major confusion could cause your dæmon to take on the same gender as yourself. For this many of you to have same gender dæmons would be like getting a room of 1,000 random people and not a single one of them being left-handed.

Especially for you younger wielders, having a a dæmon be same gender at first is... I don't want to say common, but it's not unexpected. You guys are young, just hitting puberty. You're going to experience a lot of change, a lot of questions and a lot of confusion. It's natural that you want something to be as familiar as possible. That, naturally, means being of the same gender. Don't feel bad about this, mine was a male at first. It's just sort of natural for you to want this. An “older sister/brother figure” of sorts. Trust me, though, it will change. Maybe, just maybe, you might end up with a same gender dæmon for the rest of your life. But I doubt all of you who have that will. I really, really doubt it. Just wait, you'll wake up one morning and your dæmon will start talking like its balls have dropped, if you don't mind the vulgarity.

Just remember... same gendered dæmons are so, so rare and quite often mean you're not secure with yourself or that something is wrong.

Next bit.

None of you have settled dæmons. Trust me on that. If you did, you'd realize that your dæmons wouldn't be interacting like you guys have them. I've seen mine for near three years now, and I'm not even positive she's settled. And, I'm done with puberty, the craziest part of your life to be with dæmon. Most of y'all (I think all, actually) are just entering or in the midst of it. There's no way a dæmon would settle now. Your mood changes like it's your job, your opinions jump all over the place ,you start questioning everything you've ever been taught, you wonder more, your body changes – there's just so much. Have a dæmon settle now would be like having a glass bowl not break during an earthquake.

You need to be patient. Your dæmon doesn't have to be settled for you to enjoy it. Actually, not having it settled can be more fun. You're exploring yourself with your closest companion. You're learning things about yourself which can and will surprise you. Just be patient, ride through it, and don't hope and wish for settling. After all, a watched pot never boils.

All in all, I think you all need to sit down and have a nice thought with your “dæmons”. Really think about who you are (right now) and who they could be.

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[Cloud of Diamonds]

Um so. We all listened politely to Crow and now we're carrying on. ?

EDIT: e.e Urf. I didn't want to do this, but Mil prompted me to. But before I say anything, Crow, I just want to mention that I still think you're awesome (obviously, how could you NOT be awesome?), that I agree with some of what you say, and I openly admit I could be wrong. PLEASE don't get mad at me for this. I didn't get mad at you when you posted. I listened.

I understand that our daemons are us; I believe that they are the other part of us that makes up all of us. But that is only what I believe, and it's how Mil and feel, others could feel differently.

I believe that no one can really define who or what daemons are, because they're different for everyone. In your post, you sound just a lil' arrogant because you act like you know everything. I'm sorry, Crow, but that's how you come off. And you can't know everything; it's practically impossible. As May said, who made you king of the daemons? xD

I don't doubt what you said about daemons in your first paragraph, they can be and are often that very thing.

I also agree with the second paragraph; it's very likely.

"Dæmons don't interact with each other! They never do – they're not supposed to."

I disagree, and I have no idea why you think this. Enlighten me, please? In the Golden Compass, sometimes daemons were the only method of communication between people. Why shouldn't they interact? As Mil says "It's a hell of a dull life with only one person to talk to." So are you saying Pullman is wrong and you're right, or what? I'd love to know the reasoning.

Also, if you thought this, why didn't you say it earlier?

"That would be like if your deep subconscious started having a friendly chat with my deep subconscious. This isn't an episode of Doctor Who, guys, you can't do that."

Again, who made you the decider of the ways of all daemons? Also, why do you think you can define perfectly what a soul is, especially for everyone?

"When you guys type what your dæmon says, it's irritating, because they're not really saying that. Dæmons would never talk to anybody but you – witty comments aside. But when a dæmon makes a comment, they're just expressing an opinion or thought you don't realize is YOURS."

Well then why didn't you tell us this earlier if it's what you think? And what about Jeyllisa? Who, incidentally, you claim is Rolo? What about that? I'm sorry, Crow, but this just doesn't all fit together.

"I'm sorry if that offended any of you,"

Apology accepted. Thanks for saying that, btw.

"I've noticed a lot of you have same-gender dæmons. You may not realize it, but this normally means something is wrong with you. You might be confused on something. Most likely it's sexuality or gender or something of that sort – it doesn't have to be, though. Any major confusion could cause your dæmon to take on the same gender as yourself. For this many of you to have same gender dæmons would be like getting a room of 1,000 random people and not a single one of them being left-handed."

Maybe you're right...but then again, I'm pretty skeptical. I think it's really just up to who you are. Again, how can you be so sure? You don't know the inside of everyone's mind. Also, are you saying we don't know who we are, or we're stupid or crazy? I don't think you're saying that, but it kind of comes across like that.

"Especially for you younger wielders, having a a dæmon be same gender at first is... I don't want to say common, but it's not unexpected. You guys are young, just hitting puberty. You're going to experience a lot of change, a lot of questions and a lot of confusion. It's natural that you want something to be as familiar as possible. That, naturally, means being of the same gender. Don't feel bad about this, mine was a male at first. It's just sort of natural for you to want this. An “older sister/brother figure” of sorts. Trust me, though, it will change. Maybe, just maybe, you might end up with a same gender dæmon for the rest of your life. But I doubt all of you who have that will. I really, really doubt it."

Again, why? You think we don't know who we are?
Yes, we change over life. Yes, our opinions and moods and everything changes. But deep down, our core one day reaches a point where we know who we are. We may not know everything we'll do, or decide, or anything, but we know that we have a definite sense of identity. Also, we can adapt.

It's also a matter of history - our early experiences lay the foundation for our most basic self, which is essentially our daemon. We may completely reform during adulthood, but we can never change what happened and what effect it had on us. We can't change who we are, deep down. We can improve or worsen ourselves; there are shades of gray in everything. But that little bit of us that isn't just emotion or thoughts or decisions - it is our pure being, it is US.

o3o

[Cloud of Diamonds]

And I say it's because Voltaire is too classy for a raven

Mil: Too CLASSY? Ugh! EAT MY FEATHERS, TASTELESS ONE. I AM A BADASS TRICKSTER RAVEN WHO CAN HAVE WHATEVER LAST NAME SHE DARN WELL PLEASES. AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT.

[May]

...I think you'd better let her have whatever last name she wants. o.o'

[Cloud of Diamonds]

Mil: I've given up on it for now, but rest assured I shall continue in my quest to find the perfect last name. |3

Me: Well ok then.

[Pyro]

The only real reason I ever post what Rio -I- says is sort of bandwagon generated. And I'm not ashamed to admit that.

But outside of the internet, 'who do you think you are' 'uh, you' jokes run rampant between us. Why? Because, when you get down to it, and even before that, he is me.

Guys, I hate to say it, but you really shouldn't be using Pullman's books as a reference. They are by no means the daemon bibles in my opinion. Your daemons are apart of you, to reiterate. Let me make this even clearer: They are not your familiar. They cannot communicate with other daemons because they are merely a projection of your "true self". NOT a concrete being. They are...and I use this term extremely lightly...more imaginary friend in nature than 'spiritual being'.

Can familiars communicate with other familiars? I suspect they do. Can guardian angels communicate with other guardian angels? Probably. Can spirit totems/astral familiars communicate with other totems/astral familiars? They might. Might even communicate all the time.

However, Daemons are none of these things. They are daemons. Your thoughts and feelings personified in the form of an animal that best represents you. A 'balance' if you will, in your nature is 'symbolized' (more light use of terms) by their having opposite genders.

All these settled daemons? Guys, I'm sure it may seem like they've settled but they probably haven't. They might just be 'cooling' down. Rio, for example, will take a form for weeks, months even, before 'wei' decide it doesn't fit. Then he takes on another one. Don't be surprised if your daemon changes again in a month or more, or even less. I'm sixteen, close to the supposed 'settle' age, and while 'wei're' winding down, 'wei' still have a while before settling. so for people much younger, still in the changing stages of youth to be settling...Well now, how does that make sense? Your eagerness to have a settled daemon might be affecting the process, if you'll bare with me for a moment longer.

Now ignore this if you wish but: Those last names your daemons are acquiring? They seem rather male-ish-first-names to me. They could very well be the preface to your daemons...ah...'voice-sounding-like-their-balls-dropped as Crow put it.

I don't mean to offend either, but I had to put my two cents in.

[Cloud of Diamonds]

-thanks Pyro for posting-

btw, here is a picture of Mil and Silv: tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2gtx5p1&s=5